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In fact, sandy is saying we're talking about millions jobs saved or created and other estimates range from 1 to 4 million cbo estimates. so i'm glad we agree that stimulus spending does stimulate the economy. >> i'm not in agreement with that, i'm sorry, there's no agreement on that. the bottom line, when you -- when government spends there's no profits, they're not making any money out of it, it comes out taxpayer dollar and we are he doing deficit spending here and guess what, that has to be paid back eventually. >> brenda: right, gary k. but the stock market isn't agreeing with you, wall st...

>> brenda: jonas, bull or bear? >> bear on the pork recipient. >> brenda: gary k your prediction. >> love the autos, car max business is great. i think 25% in the next year, stock acting really well. >> brenda: gary b, bull or bear. i think it it needs a pullback, bearish. >> brenda: and jonas. >> i can't take this all right now. they're useless without verizon, super cool and. >> brenda: gary b, bull or bear. >> slow growth, boring, not for me, bearish. >> brenda: well you talk about cool with jonas, you do, you're the gadget guru. you know who is cool? well, he's going to be showing up in fi...

>> the manager of those employees, like a corporation does. >> right, but corporations have those pay packages 4, 5, 7, 2 million dollars, 3 million dollars, all leveled at mba's going to work in the government and decide to gets a raise like a real corporation? that's fantasy land. no one is ever going to work at the federal level. 2, 3, 4 million. it's not going to happen you have to index inflation automatic pay increase. how would it work, i wouldn't go work there and manage people for a hundred grand. it's nuts. >> how do you think it works in any corporation? you have, because you have t...

Employers do all kinds of crazy things, but you know what? that's their write. >> brenda: we don't impose that on bulls and bears. toby, would you make your employees get a flu shot? >> i would first make them all get blue shirts, because i as well look good in blue and absolutely, i mandate that employees are going to work around other people, if they work at home, don't get a flu shot. if you're going to be in an office not only do you have to get a flu shot. if you're showing flu systems we kick you out. you're going home, man, people try to tough it out and all it does it get more people s...

You extrapolate against israel and allies, what best way to fight if you're an arab leader to cut off or raise oil prices and that's the problem and that's why this is different and potentially devastating to our gas prices here. >> in fact, toby, we saw the iraq envoy say something to that effect. are you buying in? >> well, they did, and let's also bear in mind, that, both iraq, iran, and any of the people who are saying that we are going to use oil as a weapon are as desperately in need of every dollar into their economy, it may look good on their television, and say that we're going to use...