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Told us seemed to me to be two different things. the first day he arrived, i remember one of the senior trainers at seaworld, tilikum was in a pool and she was walking over a gate and she had her wet suit unzipped tied around her waist and making cooing noises and going hey, tilikum. what a cute little whale. and she was just kind of play talking at him. and one of the supervisors said, get her out of there! just screamed at her. like, get her away from there, they were so worried that something was going to happen. and i remember thinking, why are you guys making such a big deal out of this w...

It sells a lot of tickets at the gate. that's the story line they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorem that captivity makes animals crazy. and that is just false. >> all whales in captivity have a bad life. they're all emotionally destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn...

You see her just ripped from the gate. at this point tamary knows that she's in trouble. she's under the water. splash and orchid both have her. she's totally out of view. no other trainer knows this is happening. people start to scream, you know, as the park guest that was filming it. you hear -- you don't see her -- but you hear tamary surface. you hear her just scream out, somebody help me. and the way she screamed it was such a blood-curdling -- like she knew she was going to die. robin, when he ran over, he made a brilliant decision. he told the trainer to run and take the chain off kastk...

You see her just ripped from the gate. at this point tamary knows that she's in trouble. she's under the water. splash and orchid both have her. she's totally out of view. no other trainer knows this is happening. people start to scream, you know, as the park guest that was filming it. you hear -- you don't see her -- but you hear tamary surface. you hear her just scream out, somebody help me. and the way she screamed it was such a blood curdling -- like she knew she was going to die. robin, when he ran over, he made a brilliant decision. he told the trainer to run and take the chain off kastk...

That's the story line they're going to continue to stick with for as long as they can. >> recognize that those that say this is a crazed animal that acted out and grabbed dawn maliciously, they want to prove the theorem that captivity makes animals crazy. and that is just false. >> all animals in captivity have a bad life. they're all emotionally destroyed. they're all psychologically traumatized. so they are ticking time bombs. it's not just tilikum. >> we have to separate what happened to dawn, and as tragic as it is and no one wants to see