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Playing video games, better parenting, things we can all endors. >> you do like video games, let's be clear. >> i'm a little upset about the video games. but he tends to shy away from the systemic critique that really -- >> okay, but let me say, i found the henry louis gates moment instructive and you wrote about that, but it affected the way they comported themselves afterward. the gaes moment was -- the moment i was in the room during the press conference, reaction was so honest, right? it came from such a -- a pure, just honest place, it wasn't at all particularly radical. a mundane thing, ...

Murder, a different kind of thing. in america, i don't think you would get very far with that earlier idea. >> with the sexual -- because of sexual practices of america. >> because we don't live like that, people have never lived like that. but that aura still persists. and that's why, for example, along with the idea that the woman is the man's property, has been her father, the idea that there has to be -- you have to resist to the utmost which is -- was legal doctrine for a very long time in many states, and a horrible miscarriage of justice done according to that. >> the legal definition o...

And you want to call out something, because they are clear implications, if you call it out, are you falling into the trap of getting trolled and letting them play the role of being the scrimp and saying, look at those liberals playing the race card. a lose/lose situation that the president is struggling with. >> that is exactly what the essay is about. how he has navigated that. the president is constantly being trolled to "play the race card." another phrase i des piece. we'll invoke ironically here. >> i was at war with myself writing this piece, and some level, i would like your president ...

>> the thing i want to turn attention to here and to me the part of the essay i thought was the most bracing, is a discussion of the way you talk about shirley sherrod, and everybody remembers the shirley sherrod incident. forget about what the president has to navigate. how black citizens navigate their relationships with the first black president and their relationship of criticism or support or frustration, and the story you tell about shirley sherrod, the last line of the piece, not to ruin the ending, spoiler alert. basically she talks to you, but i don't want to hurt the president. she g...

Barack obama, sellout, pragmatic, all this stuff, right? when you point to the conservative's example, i think about the iraq war and say to myself, i wish conservatives who oppose the iraq war hasn't gotten behind the president. i wish they had taken to the air waves and killed that thing before it happened. and there is a danger to falling in line. >> i guess my point, we're not falling. to suggest the absence of an all-day 5 five-point critique to the president's agenda is falling in line is my concern. i want to point out for me one of the great professor cornell west might say, one of the...