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>> so, i mean, i guess the supporters of gem bush say anything that showcases jeb bush in a different light is a good thing. in your view, does this kind of thing matter? >>. >> i think the fact that steven colbert captured 6.5 million viewers matters. if you're any presidential candidate. especially since the other candidates aren't like donald trump. they can't snap their fingers. so you take advantage of those things. and, you know, i have to tell you, it strikes me as very funny that the lines colbert and his writers put together there, you could imagine the same things coming out of donal...

Antiestablishment, antiwashington move. >> one other thing. historically, when we see this kind of things between a leading candidate and the primary situation, sometimes they wind up on the same ticket. kennedy and johnson, reagan and bush. hillary clinton wound up as secretary of state. at the end of the day, they all manage to get together as a rule. >> there's obviously a great deal of strategy that goes into both sides of this alliance. who is benefitting, do you think, the most from it. >> well, that's a really interesting question. they both get such a huge benefit. ted cruz has the app...

Railings and look at the republican numbers that show that gem bush, that trump is in the top and stunningingly ben carson is number two. in iowa, john kasich number two in new hampshire stunningly they have both gone from double-digit support, and now they're at single digit. what is going on? >> i think we are in the playing the field part of the political season. these are people cheating on their -- dissing walker and jeb and going to other candidates. >> right now i think they are more excited by the nontraditional candidates who haven't held elective office. john kasich is the only thing...