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Exciting, somewhere in the middle. >> i think you saw that on display in the conventions. even when you go to the rallies, there is an emotional attachment that obama supporters have towards this president. they linger after he's done. they cheer, they wear the old t-shirts from 2008 and they buy buttons, and i think at the romney events, it's just not the same. they obviously boo when there's mention of obama care, but they don't linger in the same way and there doesn't seem to be just a love and adoration for mitt romney, but there is a hatred of this president, and i think being at both -- ...

Vote, too. he used to have that going for him as well. >> yeah. the first black president. remember that one. >> exactly. he was called that by an african-american author. i think bill clinton now it's interesting that his pivot is now that he is sort of the ambassador to the white working class vote and to older white voters. you look at a state like florida where one out of five voters is an independent, those are the voters that barack obama is fighting for. he's fighting to keep his share of the white vote as close to 39% as he can. they have a floor maybe of 37% because you will have actu...

Welcome back to "hardball." the avalanche of romney criticism, meaning criticism of romney from members of his own party, has been so huge the last couple days it's been tough picking a few examples to show you tonight on "hardball." but here are some of the best. first off, conservative radio talk show host laura ingraham gives a dressing down to the romney campaign that practically drew blood. let's listen. >> if you can't beat barack obama with this record, then shut down the party. shut it down. start new with new people because this is a gimme election, or at least it should be. >> a gem ...

They're still struggling, but there's a general feeling that obama backed the auto industry, therefore, cared about their cities and the republicans don't, and that may be how he wins ohio on that auto issue. >> jennifer granholm got it right, chris. >> what? what did she say? >> i said governor granholm got it right in her speech when she talked about the fact that what barack obama did for the auto industry wasn't just michigan, it was ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, north carolina, so many other states benefited where our manufacturers manufacture component parts. >> okay. great. that's so im...

That's fox talking and that's "the wall street journal" talking. joe scarborough again said something that he said yesterday. he expressed dismay at his party's choice of romney. let's listen. >> why is it that republicans as the party is getting more conservative than ever have selected a guy that has decided as a "wall street journal" editorial page says, i'm not going to tell anybody what i'm going to do if i'm president? >> well, that yauge editorial piece joe refers to reads in part mr. romney's pre-existing political calculation seems to be that he can win the election without having to ...