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You think of general clapper. he served under 10 american presidents, all sorts of the most essential intelligence positions out there, and he's raising this question about the current president of the united states. when you heard that, what was your reaction? >> well, it was stunning because i overlapped briefly with jim clapper in government. i know him to be a sober, serious, committed public servant, someone who is not partisan in any way and someone who isn't given to throwing around incendiary words. and for him to characterize the president in that way and to raise these concerns seeme...

This ever, but he wants the attention on him and the way he eat going to do this, is fighting this large culture war against the media, against political correctness, as we saw in the 2016 campaign. >> i think we're overthinking, i think what last night was about was about making himself feel good. i think he needs that kind of reaffirmation and that kind of love. when he faced a backlash from his charlottesville reaction, that just gets under his skin, he can't let go of it. that's why he relitigated ill page by page, out of context, putting out lies of omission. >> it's obviously pretty scar...

When he says they're taking away our history? who's they? who's our? what history? what he's doing is dog whistles in front of that base. i said it last night and i'll say it again, the only defensible explanation is that he's not well. because if he is completely sane, then he's the biggest jerk we have seen in the world. >> let me just play a clip. because perhaps with the exception of anna's statement, the strongest condemnation of what we heard from president trump came from the former director of national intelligence james clapper. he was on cnn and he said this. >> i really question his...

Even though he's president of -- >> when you have an infant that's called self-soothing. joining by phone is former chief of staff for the cia and the department of defense, jeremy bash. thank you for jumping on the phone for us, i know you're far away. i had to get you on the record from james clapper's comments that kept me awake last night. after watching the president's performance last night he was concerned about this man having access to the nuclear codes. your thoughts? >> theater, nicolle. general clapper who served 3 2 years in the air force was a leader of -- a director of the defen...

Come back early? will there be some sort of effort by congress to bring the rhetoric and the situation down? >> i think it is a little early to think about what congress could do at this particular moment. the most important thing is to see what president trump does next after he made those very stark warnings yesterday. that was followed by a north korean response. i think we need to see what he and his administration does right now. congress is really more of an advisory role here right now. i think you see a very important piece of advice there from john mccain, who is no shrinking violet w...