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This, four investigation, we have mueller and his investigation as well. what is the reaction of the staffers that are part of the investigations? >> i think that richard, they really don't know what to expect is going to happen next. i mean, you know, just literally waiting for one shoe after another to drop. i think they feel out of the loop. i think they feel like there's a lot more out there they don't know about. one thing i would like to circle back to, general clapper when you look under the dictionary for low key, general clapper is it. what he said earlier today to chuck todd you have...

General clapper who said he was not aware of anything at all. >> he said he wasn't aware of anything because he wasn't aware of the investigation. >> right. >> he hadn't talked about it. he hadn't reviewed the record. that's different than saying i have looked at everything and i see no basis. >> it is not that different. he haas has access to intelligence throughout the world. if there was collusion going on between the trump campaign and russia, the director of national intelligence would have picked it up from somewhere. doesn't have to be part of a criminal investigation. now, again, i wan...

You know that general clapper wanted to clear up that remark from "meet the press." he was very careful not to ask the fbi directo or his predecessor what is going on in these counter intelligence investigations. >> i assume there is a point you know you access to the investigation unt information until you don't have the access to the investigatifot it is hard to say anything applies to that today anyway on that front. this is the can of worms that the president opened up. by going directly at director comey like this, making it personal now, levels on twitter what appeared to be a threat wit...

Operations command, he is now the chance life-support at the university of texas. he joins me now, thank you for being with us. >> good to be with you. >> first i want your reaction to what is going on with the president and the russian investigation and the collusion, and the fighting back and the comments about general clapper. and the players. i have great erespect for jim clapper. 52 plus years serving the government. he has a level of integrity that is unsurpassed. i was able to listen, and i will tell you i thought his take on everything was spot on,

Lying to the white house. he's not being honest with what he spoke about with the russians. this is an issue. was the white house able to clarify, to explain, to help reporters and the public understand the timing of those two events and why they might be suspiciousment? >> we didn't sort through the timing so much as we did the details today. the fact that the president said james clapper -- i'm sorry, that james comey asked for the dinner when, in fact, based on our reporting, it was the white house who invited james comey here to have dinner. that notion that he asked for a loyalty pledge, ...