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Havens, whatever the case might be, and that is a real danger of how this devolves and how nato gets drawn in. this next -- the rest of this next couple days is going to be like roughly more of the same, it's not going to get really sharp and acute. i'm still very worried about mariupol, which is holding out. but not yet kyiv. i mean, that's probably still several days down the road. terrible thing to say, that's the city of my birth, and i hate to see anything happen there, but it's certainly not going to fall any time in the next several days or weeks. >> if at all. colonel vindman, thank yo...

It is nearing midnight in kyiv, ukraine. the capital city where as we came on the air with richard engel air sirens were heard. as that city preparing for an increasingly aggressive russian military attack. artillery fire was heard throughout kyiv today. let's welcome in retired general vindman. with me on set for two hours is john heilemann. just back from the region. your thoughts to everything we have heard today? >> it is -- i think the question

Feel very high. they feel high here because we know, we think maybe this could be world war iii, but for them, it's life and death and they were what it's like to be part of the soefd union, it was only 30 years ago, and it changes the calculus in the way we see all this. >> colonel vindman, we'll give you the last word on what you think this weekend holds on the ground in ukraine. >> just to that last series of comments, i think there's a risk that the longer this goes, the greater there is a chance of fracturing the alliance. right now, it's ironclad together but the eastern flank really con...

See signs that an attack may be imminent or at its early stages. colonel vindman, even though it is expected and watched for 14 days as vladimir putin's military seemingly incompetently at times moved kyiv it is still a new trauma, fresh trauma to see that actually seem to enter a new phase here. >> yeah. i have got to say that i really applaud your engagement with igor. i can't imagine a better spokesperson for his country. just an unbelievably charismatic. soaked in the same vein as volodymyr zelenskyy. a good messenger for what this war means to the ukrainian people, to our own values here ...