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Keen, should we be more aggressive, whatever that means and what would that moan? >> everything we tried to date has failed. michael is right about that these guys now have nuclear helps with and we tried for years to stop that but i think our strategic objective should be regime change. i'm not suggesting we do that by military force but it should be our geopolitical objective to remove that regime and hopefully to encourage those who live under that regime to do everything we can to haven't alley unify that peninsula. >> general keane, michael singh, great to have you both us today. we're ge...

That. why should we tolerate this? >> reporter: we shouldn't toll late these kind of actions and i hope that the new secretary of defense made that very clear to the afghan president, that while it's okay to have differences in views, to keep those private, and these public statements are unhelpful. in fact if they continue they will increase the rational for the u.s. to pull out more forces. jenna: what is the risk of that? >> well the risk is if you pull out too much i think, you know, again in 2009 there was nearly an attack in new york city from an al-qaida plot that was based out of pakis...

Day. a cactus attack, if you will. incredibly no one was hurt when a storm blew over a cactus in the woman's front yard. the wind didn't stop there the it uprooted the cactus with the part of the plant hitting the roof. like a cartoon. just missed the cat asleep in the front room. there is no more cactus in the front yard i guess. jon: that is a big old one there. more information on a doozy of a story we brought you last friday, after justin bieber, the beebs. jenna: you're very concerned. jon: justin bieber collapsed in a concert. he got into profanty laced argument with a video photographer...

Karzai? >> well, look, there are a range of options on the table. there is one option where you actually have somebody else, like the president's brother, a whole range of individuals that may run for president. but there is a second option where president karzai either stays on as president, amends the constitution, or stays on in sort of a background role the way we saw say with pursui vladimir putin in russia. i think there are a range of options where the president can actually continue to influence the political process even if he decide not to run. jenna: interesting to watch that proces...

2100-plus americans have died since the war began in afghanistan. we've also spent more than a half trillion dollars on the war. seth jones is a former adviser to the commanding general to the u.s. forces in afghanistan . he's now a research for the rand corporation. nice to have you back with us. why should our men keep dying in this country, men and women if this is the behavior of that country's president? what is going on here? >> well, i should point out that this is not the first time we've heard statements like this. back in april of 2010 president karzai stkul lee sai actually said he ...