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And what is absolutely clear is that with each passing day, more people inside of syria are suffering. the state of syria itself is crumbling. that is bad for syria, it is bad for the region. it is bad for global national security, because what we know is that there are extremists who have moved into the vacuum in certain portions of syria in a way that could threaten us over the long term. so this is one of our highest national security priorities, and i know that francois feels the same way, and many of our european partners as well as our partners in the region feel the same way. the geneva...

The opposition has been frag meanted and at war with itself. the geneva process, women and children and old men being bussed out of the center of homs, that is the one and only positive sign that has come out thus far. the syrian government has agreed to come back to the syrian peace talks in a few days. you can look at that as positive. bashar al assad has only gotten stronger and stronger. and i think he's begun to shirk off concerns that the west will come after him again. >> he's not afraid of us? >> no. >> let's switch to sochi really quickly. olympic games and secretary of state john ker...

The chemical agreement. >> i understand. but the fact that this chemical issue has brought the world together to finally pay attention, is this a moment you can build from? >> that depends to a large extent to the country that are supporting the terrorists in syria. >> before i go back to greg. there are a lot of countries involved in this process. not just the u.s. and russia. iran, israel, turkey, and even china so much depends on syrians proposition with the geneva process. are you prepared to make sure that this opportunity doesn't fall apart? >> we supported geneva process from the very b...

That's exactly what this is. they can't micromanage this. this is going to backfire. everybody knows it, everybody sees it except for the people in washington, d.c., and that's why the people are going to stand up as they have and dictate to the representatives exactly what the outcome is here. >> karen? >> you know, chris, i'm not comfortable with the idea that we think it's not our problem when over 100,000 people have been killed. we've been talking about the use of chemical weapons. we're talking about insidious ways that this man is killing his own people. that we should care about that, ...

Situation currently in syria, which is becoming proxy war with hezbollah and so many other factions coming into the country whereas you have syrians fleeing the country unfortunately, and one air strike does not sound to anyone like it will solve the problems. sending a signal, a slap on the hand to assad, okay, that's a step. but that doesn't move us in any kind of political or are diplomatic reconciliation. >> what are you suggesting? >> i'm opposed to the air strikes. i'd like to know more about what other options are there? have we pursued the other options? are there other ways we can for...