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Genoese sailor who got supported and bankrolled by the spanish. jesse: and italian bankrolled by the spanish crown. by the spanish crown, take three ships across the atlanta goshen in a ten week voyage and land in the americas. now, no american indian tribe at that time could have taken about and gone the other way and let say gone up the thames or gone up the same in other words, there was not a civilizational parity between the two groups, and that is why discovery is such a fighting word, it implies that western civilization was somehow more developed, more advanced, more technologically sophisticated. jesse: welcome it was. it was more technologically advanced. it was. they were able to cross the atlantic in these vessels that before then had never been done before. and to the point about quote unquote discovery, is like kamala wants to, we re going to be sending all sorts of shuttles ....