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Fact have recordings of something that could be meaningful. i don't think -- well, i want to say two things one to david's point. i completely disagree about giuliani. i think trump would throw him under the bus in a split second and wouldn't think twice about it. i don't think however that even throwing him under the bus gets trump out of this because there is too much evidence showing that he was driving this bus, basically. >> sure. >> but i think he would absolutely do it. >> berman can you refresh my memory what's the name of the company the two gentlemen ran. >> fraud guarantee. >> i kee...

Throwing him under the bus gets trump out of this because there is too much evidence showing that he was driving this bus, basically. >> sure. >> but i think he would absolutely do it. >> berman can you refresh my memory what's the name of the company the two gentlemen ran. >> fraud guarantee. >> i keep wondering. >> what was the second choice name worse than fraud guarantee? i don't know. >> jeffrey toobin david gergen kirsten power processes. david urban thank you for being with us thank you happy thanksgiving to all of you. >> president trump drops another swear word at a rally talking abou...