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Liberal? >> and yet the reason for that conflict is unclear now. apparently we're engaged in an extensive nation building effort, the original reason for going into afghanistan was to get bin laden, but of course he fled to pakistan rather early. so we have to ask ourselves, what are we doing in afghanistan? and that, of course, begs the question, what are we doing in libya as well? >> let's not change to the other sore spot yet. >> okay. >> give me two minutes here. you're slip sliding away from me. i want to go to michael steele, the former rnc chair, on this. this is a tough one. we used to...