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>>gerri: $5 trillion is how much the debt has gone up under president obama. but everyone seems to share in this pain. under clinton the national debt went up by $1.5 trillion, over eight years. over george w. public, eight year term, it went up $4.8 trillion. now, the democrats are trying to defend themselves, just this weekend, obama senior campaign advisor axelrod had this to say. >> the president's plan would do what the simpson-bowles would do, cut the deficit by $4 trillion, reduce it to under 3 percent of the g.d.p. which everyone agrees we need to stabilize the debt. with growth, we wi...

On the right? >>guest: bill paley, a republican, would owned cbs and cronkite was good to ike and he had trouble with goldwater in 64 and reagan dealt with him well. walter --. >>neil: reagan did not hold grounds. >>guest: he did not hold grounds. cronkite was a joke guy doing strip tease acts. >>neil: that was unsettling. >>guest: regularly and have the drinks --. >>neil: it would be scary if reagan joined. >>guest: there was a photo of reagan and all of them laughing from the white house and cronkite telling a dirty joke. he was a boy's club establish presidential guy. new new but he showed ...

>>guest: but it is the norm in the private sector. >>neil: and they cannot afford it. >>guest: corporations realized 40 years ago this was a law change and it was not economical to offer the lands and they stopped but for public entities they can for long kicked the can down the road with these saying, well, the stock market will do well, the pension funds will john rate this revenue and it will not cost. >>neil: you can roll it in, grandfather in, get people, and we tried to get the various unions to come on the show but some provided statements including the president of the civil service as...

Alliteration. he harkens back to george w. public, not the brightest bulb but a guy who stood for something. if rick perry can get across, the only chance he has, to try to get across that "i stand for something," if you agree with the values for which i stand, you will support me. that's his only chance. >>shepard: he is on it right now and it will be fascinating to watch. i am excited to see how this works out. >>guest: and he has a new start it seems to me. >>shepard: he has that. >>guest: and they have deep pockets. >>shepard: the most successful campaign managers in major league baseball ...

The members of congress usually members of the intelligence committee in the house and the senate are more concerned about locating than killing. >>shepard: it is your assertion that the concerns of leaking are largely to key up the system in an election year. >>reporter: this type of an investigation whether conducted by sitting united states attorneys or by a special counsel appointed by the court, will take a long time. i doubt there will be a resolution of this before election day. but, hear this: in the bush administration, president george w. public, congress enacted legislation that per...