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The census form or not. >> all right, pete, thanks very much. pete williams for us at the supreme court. i want to continue this conversation. i want to bring in jeff rosen. he is the president and the ceo of the national constitution center. jeff, thank you for being with us. >> great to be here always. >> let's talk about the dissent from justice elena kagan as it relates to the gerrymandering case in which she wrote "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. the constitution begins we the people of the united states, the gettysburg address almost ends. governmen...

That was not the violation, but to your point john roberts sided with the liberals and said, i don't buy that, you have to give us more detail. >> how much is that on the gerrymandering case? >> it was a big roof win for the republican but, they continue to shape them. but when democrats get their act together and win a lot of state legislatures, they will benefit from this. that is the republican appointed judges and it was not really a partisan decision because it will apply. >> bret: we will wrap up there and save more time for the next panel. because the next up is the democratic debates. ...

Be guarding. so again, she continues to read from the bench. >> sandra: all right, shannon bream. thank you for that. we do have the other decision on the census question. we know that that is out, but we don't have it yet. trace. >> trace: let's bring out the big jay panel over here. >> for a second, i was like what are you talking about? >> trace: we have david's bond at the supreme court. the decision has been made. we just don't have it. we want to make sure we get it right. you can imagine, jeff, when this decision comes out, the gerrymandering case, both parties saying we kind of fumbled...

Are the people who are living in this country who are citizens of our country?" is returned to abortion, for example, or have the larger picture of who lives in the state legally to have representation. how many seats they get. >> harris: is this as much politics as anything else? a >> guy: so was the gerrymandering case. both parties look at what's in their immediate interest and advantage and they come down with their legal position. >> melissa: nancy pelosi said exactly that. she said she wants to make sure people are counted for representation in the house, whether they are citizens or no ...

Undermines the beity of the census bureau whether they cake up with this fictitious reason, so the professionals already predicted putting this question on would lead to an undercount of primarily hispanic latino voters to a magnitude they had never seen before and it would affect the voting power of latinos, it would affect theal indication of seats in congress, and also affect the division of legislators, who you talked before with respect to the gerrymandering case, could then continue to gerrymander districts and boundaries for congressional races. >> pete, back to you. practically speakin...