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Developing situation there and bring details when available. a new controversy connected to obamacare with explosive allegation against oregon state health insurance exchange. patrick sheehan, a former oregon state lawmaker contacting the fbi claiming oregon's project manager misled the feds about the progress of the exchange, even going so far as to create dummy web pages, all to get millions of dollars in federal funding. patrick sheehan joins me now. great to see you. >> hi, gretchen, thanks for having me. >> you have a background in web design, so you would know something about this. you...

That's significantly more than the 800 jobs originally estimated. time to bring in congressman jason chaffetz, a congressman from utah. great to have you. i'm very interested in your take now on what should i call it, an amendment to the original cbo report? >> i wish they had been more clear when they originally came out. the sad reality with obamacare is you have less people that are going to be covered. you're going to have people making less money. they are going to have to work less hours. the sad reality for the group of americans who need help the most, it's probably going to hurt them ...

Campaign november of this year and they have got this report, lost jobsish lost wages, more debt, part-time work, internal dynamics, economics messed up. they have got that around their neck. the question is, gretchen, what are they going to do? what action will they take to head this off before the election in the president doesn't want any changes in obamacare. congressional democrats might have a very different view. >> interesting analysis. we'll see you tomorrow on your own show. thank you. target making a major move to update credit card systems to try to keep shoppers personal informa...

Where the parents of the kids were at the time they actually went into the pool. gretchen. >> oh, gosh. a parents' worst nightmare. most cruise ships don't have lifeguards on board, right? >> no cruise ships are required to have lifeguards, like hotels. all they are required to have is signs. remember back in october a six-year-old boy died on a carnival cruise line. he drowned in the pool there. he was actually with his brother at the time. then back in march, a four-year-old minnesota boy nearly drowned on a disney cruise. that boy is still severely disabled. in september disney began adding...

Program work. you have more people looking for it for free. >> you're right. this destroys internal economics of obamacare. you've got to have millions and millions of people signs up, preferably young people healthy, put money into the pot so people can take it out. this report, apart from lost jobs, wages and debt, apart from that, saying we're not going to meet the targets for signups, a huge bombshell negative for obama. >> and ramifications. check out what john boehner is saying. for years, republicans have said that the president's health care law cease uncertainty for small businesses, ...