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That just had their heart, central caliphate, destroyed. what they're doing is what i call the ghost jihad. >> you used an expression the other day, when we were on tv together, like stepping on a ball of mercury. >> a ball of mercury. what we saw in iraq. when i was fighting in iraq. you step on the ball of mercury, it breaks up and goes into a million different pieces and actually congeals, conforms, comes back together. once you lifted that. mercury has to be sopped up. one little section at a time. what we're seeing with isis is when that pressure came down, you suddenly saw foreign fighte...

Right. what you're looking at is the future of isis and al qaeda. al qaeda maintains itself as a covert organization operating in a terrorist underground. isis, on the other hand, was this large expeditionary army that just had their heart, central caliphate, destroyed. what they're doing is what i call the ghost jihad. >> you used an expression the other day, when we were on tv together, like stepping on a ball of mercury. >> a ball of mercury. what we saw in iraq. when i was fighting in iraq. you step on the ball of mercury, it breaks up and goes into a million different pieces and actually ...

Saying with michael lighter in a segment which i thought was informative, which is that terrorists have deinvolved from the large scale strategic attacks. that's a technical term they use, a strategic attack. these are now qualitative attacks which are small scale but which have a big impact, especially as they bush out into the news media. excuse me. for isis to do that, you know, they don't even need a central command anymore. they have essentially eliminated that and gone on to what we call a ghost jihad where they have moved out and all of their information is in the cyber world and it ins...