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Side of that when i was a prosecutor. i understand that. i will say he's hired lawyers that don't appear to have any federal, criminal experience. he would be better off using the federal public defender and saving his money and keeping his mouth shut? >> do you really think? >> absolutely. >> his lawyers have no experience in what they're doing? >> i looked at their biographies on their web page. they don't seem to have federal experience at all. they seem to be crisis management lawyers as much as i can tell. >> you think it would be self-explanatory that he shouldn't reach out to potential ...

Stone has already engaged in. he was trying to ghost write editorials and suggest to people the way he remembered things. in contrast, stone has been indicted for witness tampering and if you look at the record of what he was doing with credico, it's blatant material. the judge would be concerned about that. that he will get. he'll stay far away from anything like that. but i think he wants to speak out and continue to signal to the president that he's the poster boy for him and he should be pardoned. >> i get that they're talking about the trial starting in late summer or early fall. it doesn...