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Steve bannon said, extraordinary numbers of casualties and let us not forget, it would not be just casualties, but all the u.s. troops that are down there that are vulnerable too. >> yes. >> that's an incredibly difficult concoction of details. and to talk about its so flippantly. who would have guessed a week ago that someone like rick would be saying, thank heavens for what steve bannon said. >> he'll be calling me now. >> exactly. i want to talk to him too. >> if you are watching, we're about to go to a commercial break. you can go ahead and place that call along with our great thanks to ri...

You couldn't do that unless you were using art because it cushions it a little bit, but it makes a strong point. >> it's also the reaction to the world of instagram because we're drowning in photographs now to the degree that as rick says, they have lost the shock. these are so symbolic they make you think, and thinking frankly is what everyone needs to do right now. >> they land in your device with a thud. more impactful than their brethren of photos. gi gillian, tell me about this piece. >> after trump was elected, everybody said it was a trump trade, and that's what's driving us, optimism. ...

Syria and they're moving elsewhere, they're going to be attractive. >> people follow strength, not weakness. dogs do, too, by the way, if you ever try to train one. gi gillian, i have noticed this theme with the president's reaction to acts of terror. his first instinct is to blame americans. you have too many guns, you're isl islamopho islamophobic, you pollute and cause global warming. his real outrage seems to be reserved for his fellow americans. >> i don't know that there's outrage against fellow americans. i take your point. it's a good point. i think part of the problem here is a denial...

Syria and they're moving elsewhere, they're going to be attractive. >> people follow strength, not weakness. dogs do, too, by the way, if you ever try to train one. gi gillian, i have noticed this theme with the president's reaction to acts of terror. his first instinct is to blame americans. you have too many guns, you're isl islamopho islamophobic, you pollute and cause global warming. his real outrage seems to be reserved for his fellow americans. >> i don't know that there's outrage against fellow americans. i take your point. it's a good point. i think part of the problem here is a denial...

Elsewhere, they're going to be attractive. >> people follow strength, not weakness. dogs do, too, by the way, if you ever try to train one. gi gillian, i have noticed this theme with the president's reaction to acts of terror. his first instinct is to blame americans. you have too many guns, you're isl islamopho islamophobic, you pollute and cause global warming. his real outrage seems to be reserved for his fellow americans. >> i don't know that there's outrage against fellow americans. i take your point. it's a good point. i think part of the problem here is a denial of the power that radica...