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Four consecutive grammy awards. and together, you put the -- you've been an unbelievable team. how do you explain your success? >> holy crap. do we have enough time? no, it's very simple. there's a synergy between the two of us. she comes from one side of the tracks, i come from the other. i call her like the gidget side and i'm the renegade loser on this side. somewhere in the middle, we meet and we offset each other. she brings me closer to the middle and i bring her in and that's how we work. >> that's fantastic and you're saying, neil, i understand that you were not a guy who was big into ...

Clemens through the -- a horrible ordeal for years. >> twice. >> right, twice. and yet holder probably is going to get away with this. even after a vote of contempt, members of the administration are seldom actually held to any penalty for that kind of behavior. >> joe, it was bipartisan vote. 16 democrats went along with the republicans and said, you know, you really should give up those documents. there is a dead guy that we're talking about here, a border patrol agent. >> we don't do like this bullet vote. everybody has to vote the same way on the democratic side of the aisle. but i think t...