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Get a foothold in the middle east show that the united states is not a reliable partner and make common calls with turkey, a nato ally, an ally of the united states of america, an ally however that recently bought an air defense system from russia and not from us. >> in terms of russian interest, obviously, the turks have had it out for the kurds for a long time so to attack kurdish forces is direct interest and what we telegraphed for years. in terms of the russian interest here, though, i understand that russia sees syria as effectively the out post in the middle east. i don't clearly unders...

Effectively work together here. why this gift turkey would simultaneously be a gift to russia? >> turkey is working hard to have it all ways. iran is a neighbor of turkey's. they got an air defense system. so turkey is playing a very sophisticated political game here trying to make sure it takes care of all interests and russia who really putin doesn't have a particular except for what is in his personal own interest. if it works to make common calls with turkey to gain control of a part of turkey or have an interest in part of turkey or syria that it never had before, they are all in for the ...