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I don't know if the governor, governor perry is going to be able to get those people back, the tea party people the hard right people, who really want a conservative elected president. so that's -- see, it's perry against cain, rather than perry against romney. he has got to get the people away from cain. i'm not sure he can do that. >> no. i wouldn't say at this point. i would say. this i think he stabilized last night. i think he had gimbel as they used to say in the nasa program when something was spinning out of control he had gimbel lock and he lived to fight another day after last night....

Governor perry is going to be able to get those people back, the tea party people the hard right people, who really want a conservative elected president. so that's -- see, it's perry against cain, rather than perry against romney. he has got to get the people away from cain. i'm not sure he can do that. >> no. i wouldn't say at this point. i would say. this i think he stabilized last night. i think he had gimbel as they used to say in the nasa program when something was spinning out of control he had gimbel lock and he lived to fight another day after last night. >> bill: next up, unforgettab...

I don't know if the governor, governor perry is going to be able to get those people back, the tea party people the hard right people, who really want a conservative elected president. so that's -- see, it's perry against cain, rather than perry against romney. he has got to get the people away from cain. i'm not sure he can do that. >> no. i wouldn't say at this point. i would say. this i think he stabilized last night. i think he had gimbel as they used to say in the nasa program when something was spinning out of control he had gimbel lock and he lived to fight another day after last night....

>> no, i wouldn't say at this point. i would say. this i think he stabilized last night. i think he had gimbels as they used to say in the nasa program when something was spinning out of control i think he had gimbel lock. at least lived to fight another day after last night. one thing i didn't understand, bill, maybe you could tell me in the interview when you were talking about how much tax base would be lost, does it necessarily reflect that it would be lost? isn't it possible that tax revenue would go up in direct proportion to a diminish admission in the rate? >> bill: it's possible that ...

>> no, i wouldn't say at this point. i would say. this i think he stabilized last night. i think he had gimbels as they used to say in the nasa program when something was spinning out of control i think he had gimbel lock. at least lived to fight another day after last night. one thing i didn't understand, bill, maybe you could tell me in the interview when you were talking about how much tax base would be lost, does it necessarily reflect that it would be lost? isn't it possible that tax revenue would go up in direct proportion to a diminish admission in the rate? >> bill: it's possible that ...