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Punishment? >> i believe it does. i have a support group for families who have lost children and i get calls from moms and you can't believe the cries. i never heard sounds like this. >> are they angry about the pushers? >> the first thing they want to do is get their hands on their son's or daughter's drug dealers. >> you disagree with me and ms. katz and there are others that feel the way you do that you shouldn't put these drug pushers in jail and why do you feel that way? >> i hadamanl kwark lrkl y disa. >> ones that are in the state and local prisons, they have a long rap sheet, these dea...

Drug overdose in 2008 and with ging ginger katz who son died of an overdose. you agree with me that it is a violent crime to sell heroin and that's what killed your son to another human being, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and say we couldn't be concentrating on the drug sellers or the dealers. >> i say listening to drug laws would create more drug use, and that means more crime, more overdoses, it wreaks havoc on our country. >> what about giving them the harsh mandatory 10 to 20, they're putting a lot of these guys away for a long period of time. does the crime fit the

Drug overdose in 2008 and with ging ginger katz who son died of an overdose. you agree with me that it is a violent crime to sell heroin and that's what killed your son to another human being, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and say we couldn't be concentrating on the drug sellers or the dealers. >> i say listening to drug laws would create more drug use, and that means more crime, more overdoses, it wreaks havoc on our country. >> what about giving them the harsh mandatory 10 to 20, they're putting a lot of these guys away for a long period of time. does the crime fit the

Drug overdose in 2008 and with ging ginger katz who son died of an overdose. you agree with me that it is a violent crime to sell heroin and that's what killed your son to another human being, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> and say we couldn't be concentrating on the drug sellers or the dealers. >> i say listening to drug laws would create more drug use, and that means more crime, more overdoses, it wreaks havoc on our country. >> what about giving them the harsh mandatory 10 to 20, they're putting a lot of these guys away for a long period of time. does the crime fit the

Years. it doesn't work. >> it works. the tough mandatory dropped cocaine use 71%. >> i think some of your numbers are skewed. >> these are numbers that come from the white house. go ahead. >> what i would like to focus on, mr. o'reilly is prevention now and decent education in the beginning. we have a bill in the assembly right now that hr bill 871. our -- we have nothing in place. >> agree that prevention and just say no, what nancy reagan did is necessary. but i think you got to punish the poison dealer. let me get back to ms. katz, she isn't blaming the pusher. >> denise, i'm sorry about yo...