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When you try to pierce through the web of his financial dealings, since he left the speakership in washington. he made money, as he said, he was a small business man, he was a lecturer. he had various foundations and such, and associations that he created, closely tracking a lot of these policy issues, and he's going to be scrutinized on that. but let me just make a general point. i mean, a lot of voters who are not actually voting yet are evaluating candidates as an anti-romney sort of candidate. maybe they don't even say it that way, but that's kind of what the vibe is, it's what the feeling...

About that clip afterwards and he has moved away from that, and not used the patriotism defense here for what he did. and you know, so i think he's tried to account for that, which is not a judgment about whether it's going to make a difference for voters. and on that point, just some reporting from this afternoon, i have talked to a prominent midwestern conservative, somebody who knows gingrich well, and the question i was posing had to do with whether the lobbying ties were going to be a disqualifier for him. this source brought up, in fact, they were character issues that he thought were go...

Degrees on both issues. >> but he seems to do it within the hour. >> he does it with utter conviction. that's the thing about newt gingrich. >> david, i want to first show and then react to this. here it is. we have so much good elements tonight. remember the so-called death panels that republicans used to attack the president's health care plan for? newt weighed in on an end of life care article which he signed in the summer of 2009. he talks here about a company in wisconsin which happened to be a paying client of gingrich's consulting firm. here he is making the case for if you want to call...

Somebody who knows gingrich well, and the question i was posing had to do with whether the lobbying ties were going to be a disqualifier for him. this source brought up, in fact, they were character issues that he thought were going to be the biggest problem for gingrich. and this was not necessarily somebody endorsing him but it's certainly an ally who thought that was going to be the biggest issue. so if you can see other conservatives launching on this in terms of paid advertising and the like, it could be difficult. >> thank you, david. thanks for joining us. thank you, howard. of course, ...