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This is really a misperception of what is the issue driving states into bankruptcy. yes, there are pension issues that are significant. there are issues of wage levels that have to be dealt with. the crisis for states is a revenue crisis, we have had the worst recession/depression since '29, revenues are down 15%. all of the states costs are fixed costs, and so when you have that gap, you have a crisis, this is not suddenly the civil service workers are being paid so much more than they were two years ago, when states were doing fine. let's not confuse the issue, i disagree about union busting...

The eyes of sr. voters. they do not deserve special coverage they deserve a benny hill sound track. they left the state they are not sitting down and talk. >> bill: they are going to get, as i told mr. vos, they are going to get the give backs. they are going to get them. but if i could find a theme in there to say all right, look, we'll give you this but you are going to have to, you know, we're going to change how we negotiate with the union but to save face i will give you a little bit of that just to get it done,. >> they should be worried about saving face. they left the state. it's crazy...

The eyes of sr. voters. they do not deserve special coverage they deserve a benny hill sound track. they left the state they are not sitting down and talk. >> bill: they are going to get, as i told mr. vos, they are going to get the give backs. they are going to get them. but if i could find a theme in there to say all right, look, we'll give you this but you are going to have to, you know, we're going to change how we negotiate with the union but to save face i will give you a little bit of that just to get it done,. >> they should be worried about saving face. they left the state. it's crazy...

Power that unions have had. democratic legislators, wisconsin has been a state for 50 years, has had these kinds of rights. they have basically gotten great advantages, i think the governor feels he has to bring them back to earth and basically beg the cuts this year, and make the adjustments early on. >> had the governor done this more diplomatically and brought the unions to the table to talk about it, the unions have said they're willing to make cuts. >> there are two issues, one is balancing the budget. with respect to the give backs, they have said we'll give you those give backs, the dol...

About it -- because the unions say they're willing to make cuts. >> there are two issues, one is balancing the budget. with respect to the give backs, they have said we'll give you those give backs, the dollars and cents all the finances you want to balance the budget. but they said, we don't agree with you, that we should be dessert decertified and lose our capacity to negotiate. >> the collective bargaining agreement. the governor should have declared victory on the financial side. and i disagree with him, but he will have the votes to win it it. >> he can still go after collective bargainin...