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We had to assess whether they could make the trip and return safely and whether they would be staying in our country illegally. it has a lot to do with jobs. but it's about our law. we are a country that believes in innocence before guilt. and our immration law we presume guilt before innocence. when the applicant comes to me they have to show me they will not violate our law. they have to overcome a burden of guilt. that's the part of our law that deals with that. we ask for transcripts for proof of i am moment and ask for ties that will bring them back to their country. and if they don't hav...

>> all i can tell you is from president's point of view, he's got a style that is unique to him, what i'm looking at is results. are we able to push russia and iran out of syria to give syria back to the syrian people, not become a puppet of iran and proxy of russia. that's a big test for this president. can we find a way to have a breakthrough in terms of russians misbehavior. what do you do about the interference in the 2018 election? >> you went from -- i'll sum it up, hating him, making fun of him, finding peace, trying to work with him, where you can work with him, then comes out and hits...

What other people who have to contend with them as witnesses have to evaluate. >> they didn't contradict themselves, right? >> right, and they admitted lies, they admitted mistakes. and they also acknowledged that they took money, why they took money, what the reasons for their desire to speak now and both said they'll give back money, so i think there is a lot of credibility to them as witnesses. >> trump's friend, christopher ruddy, who is the ceo of news max. as we try to think where is the president in all of this, what is he thinking? he said trump called the daniels story a political hoa...

Protections. why not, you know, throw a bunch of money at border security, allow the president to say, this is for the wall, and get those protections for dreamers that so many democrats so desperately want. >> well, the problem here is that they had a deal. on last go round, chuck schumer was at the white house, they thought they had a deal in motion and the president suddenly blew it up. and i think the problem, this goes back to some -- you talked about the four pillars, also the pillars of trump's dysfunction and among those are the fact that, you never know where he's going to be on a giv...

White house does not issue guidance specifically addressing the daily schedules of cabinet agency heads." they added "the white house expects federal agencies to comply with foia requests." foia of course being the freedom of information act. walk us through the nuts and bolts of your reporting here and is this activity more unusual, less unusual than what we've seen in previous administrations? >> right, and so we were having a newsroom meeting when this came up, and i typically cover epa administrator scott pruitt and have found the agency does not release any of its information in advance a...