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Giuliani and the president's two personal lawyers who really became his fixers. there is no client relationship between giuliani and the president anymore if there ever was one. and i get the sense just from speaking to sources that it's more about having the attorney-client privilege and shielding their communications and allowing giuliani to go forward and do all this dirty work in a shady back channel with ukraine or the president. because what we can't forget here is that giuliani was ultimately doing this back channel for trump. trump said in the phone call to zelensky he wanted to invest...

Terms of timing? >> i think the timing is important as you are saying, because they're getting near the elections. i think it's funny he thinks a five or six page letter is relatively short. seems like a dense letter to go through. they may have reached a point where they are going to call his bluff, meaning they are either going to let them know, we're going to write the report without the president sitting down, or they will issue a subpoena. that's mostly what they are mulling over. i don't think they would start writing without given giuliani an answer. >> you are giving me two scenarios. ...

More than we've seen. does what he said portray anything your committee was told that happened? >> no, the e-mail was clear, russia's government offering support for candidate trump at the time. and for the president, this investigation is becoming a lot like his businesses, the liabilities are starting to outnumber his assets. so you have michael cohen who is, you know, under further investigation, roger stone it looks like they're tightening the noose there and the president's lawyer seems to set him back every single day. that's because there may be different stories, but there's always one...