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appearances, connie walsh at 9 appearances. enough about me. let's talk about -- let's talk about -- >> that went a little long. >> oh, oh, i'm sorry, chairman steel. i'm sorry. >> you're eating into my time. >> let's talk about the fate of the nation. let's talk about the fate of the nation. i am so fascinated by chairman benny thompson's letter to mark meadows' lawyer basically saying, you were cooperating and then you stopped cooperating after you gave us all of this stuff. and here's the one thing that leaped out at me. benny thompson writes the text messages you did produce, including november 6th, 2020 text exchange with a member of congress apparently about
at the same time, but just -- i should have asked steel this question but i'm going to ask you this question. given mark meadows, what he's done over the last couple of weeks, first cooperating and not cooperating, is he trying to have it both ways? >> well, i don't even know that he's trying to have it both ways. what he's tlieg to do is get out of the hole that he dug for himself. turning over these documents i think as michael said means that the committee has those documents, they have him on film on his book tour, his book launch and they've got 250 witnesses and others who have also turned over documents. so what the committee is doing is putting together that proverbial holiday puzzle where eventually they're going to find that last piece that fits in the puzzle and so i think the
committee is diligently just kind of doing their work and mark meadows, i did serve with him, he's proving himself to be not a really smart lawyer for one and not to be very smart in terms of his handling of his dealings with the committee because he's essentially sold himself out. >> right. right. i want to switch gears a little bit. still talk about donald trump, but, connie and joan, have a listen to what hillary clinton said on sunday "today" about whether she thinks donald trump will run for president and will -- again, in 2024. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> if i were a betting person right now, i'd say trump is going to run again but i want people to understand that this is a make or break point. >> i mean, no alliance detected, right, connie? >> this is exactly right. this is the time.