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Underneath it. and any means we had to keep pressure on the north koreans to create that substance, we've kind of whittled away. >> are we still farther along than we have been at any point in the last two administrations? >> no. no, not at all. i mean, we've had the north koreans farther along in terms of actually dismantling some nuclear equipment, coming a bit cleaner with regard to what they have, being more specific with their commitments. no. i mean, we've been in this place or better before. we've just not gotten beyond those places. >> so what happens next? what do you need to do in th...

Kind of whittled away. >> are we still farther along than we have been at any point in the last two administrations? >> no. no, not at all. i mean, we've had the north koreans farther along in terms of actually dismantling some nuclear equipment, coming a bit cleaner with regard to what they have, being more specific with their commitments. no. i mean, we've been in this place or better before. we've just not gotten beyond those places. >> so what happens next? what do you need to do in this? let's play in this other factor. china. all right, the president's going very hard on them on trade. t...