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Probity, is not seen as likely to be true as when a pattern has been established. and so congressman, again, i know i'm throwing you on to the spot, because kasie and heidi przybyla at nbc news are breaking this story literally right now, but your view about how this fits into the analysis and whether this hearing is, in some sense, perhaps, too hasty to be scheduled for tomorrow, given what's coming in in realtime. >> it is too hasty. the best thing would be to put the brakes on it and investigate it, but ari, i've seen this in many courtrooms, where it's very easy to isolate one incident and...

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There are dozens and dozens of us, let me repeat that, quote, dozens and dozens of us. these are people reaching out, and axios is known as often taking leaks of a friendly sort, pro-administration leaks as well, these are people reaching out to anyone who will listen that this is a dumpster fire. >> but i do think that it's incumbent on people who see a dumpster fire to come forward and say we have a dumpster fire. not to, you know, pretend it's not there, or not to even just make an anonymous call to the police. so i think there's a dumpster fire, quick. >> not to say, oh, well, maybe it's a...

Terms of the significance of these? >> certainly the southern district wasn't going to file charges until the review process was done. that, if nothing else, would look unfair. not everybody got to finish their privilege review and they go ahead and file charges, that wouldn't look right. so it's going to remove one impediment to them charging cohen if that's where they're going and that's likely where they're going. but, you know, they also just got, you know, over a million documents themselves. so this review process, they've got to get their arms around these documents. >> can mueller hold...

Removed, trump will have crossed the most significant line in his presidency. there will be people in the streets i'm sure, someone like lindsey graham, who has been very supportive of him, has said that this would destroy his presidency. whether the republicans would have the spine to stand up to him in that event remains to be 16 seen, but certainly, lindsay graham suggests that they would so i think it would be a disastrous thing for him. in an odd way, i worked closely with bob mueller during my time in government, and in a way, otd way out there, bob mueller may be his best friend, he wil...