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A district. and it was shut down. now the pastor is in a legal battle with the city. joining me the pastor of the presbyterian church. and pastor winters, this blows my mind. you have a glee camp for kids and good for them and keeps them off of the street and they pay a fee. not everything that it costs to just help out with expenses, were you shocked when the city of a uburn said you are running a commercial operation. >> dumb founded. >> and if it were to stand and if you were nopt willing to fighting it every church would be subject to running a commercial enterprise. >> it sets a legal pre...

Churches are allowed to engage in acts for the community and use their own property to serve their community. >> when the city said you can't do it and shut you down. you had to cease having the glee camp. >> we did it. how could we shut it down. >> we kept on-going and figured, we would just talk with our lawyer, we have another one in addition to liberty institute. and you know just went ahead and started the process and meeting with the city. >> if you lose this case i don't think you will, but if you were to i am thinking of something as simple as having a church dinner and everybody pay t...

Residential district. now the church's pastor is in a legal battle. all right, pastor, this blows my mind. you've got a glee camp for kids that's good for them, it's helpful, keeps them off the street gives them something positive to do, they pay a little bit of a fee, not everything that it costs to just help out with the expenses, were you shocked when the city of ah burn came and said oh, you're running a commercial operation here? >> dumb founded, absolutely dumbfounded. >> and if this were to stand if you weren't willing to fight it every church in america would be subject to saying they'...

Legal battle with the city. joining me now is pastor eileen winter of the first presbyterian church and jeremy dice, senior counsel of liberty institute. all right, pastor winter, this blows my mind. you've got a glee camp for kids that's good for them and helpful, keeps them off the streets, gives them something positive to do. they pay a little bit of a fee, not everything that it costs to just help out with the expenses. were you shocked when the city of auburn came and said well, you're running a commercial operation here? >> dumbfounded. absolutely dumbfounded. >> and if this were to stan...