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Knowing what campaigns are thinking and things like that, which is the normal -- >> rather than them stealing it to use for themselves as the russian government, they were redeploying it into the american bloodstream to have an effect on the way we were dealing with each other as americans. >> correct. >> you talked about how there was a big shift, an operational shift that you saw between that guccifer -- the first leak and the wikileaks one, that it was more sophisticated in terms of how it could be weaponized, how it could be used here. i want to get into more detail with you on that in jus...

Report is glen kaplin, his responsibilities included answering questions about wikileaks and russia. thank you for getting a babysitter and coming back. >> thank you for having me back. >> i want to hear this so i'm glad you were able to come back so you started to tell thus story last night. i want to start again at the beginning. from your perspective what happened first? what was the first thing that got weird? >> well, the first thing that got weird was the "washington post" broke the story in mid-june that the dnc had been hacked and that was the first it started to get weird that -- >> y...

With you on that in just a second. glen kaplin, senior spokesperson for the hillary clinton campaign on the issue of the russian attack at the time. we'll be right back with more. are your allergies holding you back or is it your allergy pills?

You see evidence for that? >> well, as glen said, i think we've got to answer this question. it can be pretty simply done. congress can get to the bottom of this and they seem to be beginning that process, that's good. you know, as glen mentioned, roger stone admitted that there were some communications there. i would also just say, you know, let's step back for a second. the whole reason we're having the discussion about michael flynn and this wiretapping is because the nsa was tapping russian agents. and in the course of tapping those agents, those agents were speaking to trump aides. and so...

Trump? >> a long-time confidant who has publicly taken credit for paul manafort getting the job as campaign manager. there's a lot of connections here. follow the dots and the puzzle's coming together. we need to understand the full picture. but every single american deserves an answer to this question. >> robby, same question. obviously collusion is the big scary possibility here. nobody said that they have direct evidence of collusion. in your experience of it, did you see evidence for that? >> well, as glen said, i think we've got to answer this question. it can be pretty simply done. congr...