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>> a speech act. what i keep obsessing over is we talked a lot about russia and they played a prior role, but there were multiple regimes with digital capacities and all kinds of intelligence at their disposal with vested interests and let's be clear, on both sides of an election, you don't want to create it as digital proxy war for various global regimes. >> i think donald trump is under the illusion that the russians favored him in the 2016 election. they didn't favor him. they favored the candidate who would work to secure their interests. that's what he did. in 2020 the russians or the chi...

What i keep obsessing over is we talked a lot about russia and they played a prior role, but there were multiple regimes with digital capacities and all kinds of intelligence at their disposal with vested interests and let's be clear, on both sides of an election, you don't want to create it as digital proxy war for various global regimes. >> i think donald trump is under the illusion that the russians favored him in the 2016 election. they didn't favor him. they favored the candidate who would work to secure their interests. that's what he did. in 2020 the russians or the chinese or the north...