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And saying it's just another trump headline but put it in context. the president of the united states telling aides it's okay to break the law to build the wall before the 2020 election. if you do, i'll pardon you. has a u.s. president ever egregiously misused the pardon power like this. >> not the pardon power but i edited ronald reagan diaries at one point he yelled at his national security team i don't care if you end up in leavenworth, prison, i want the hostages out of iran. and that attitude got ronald reagan in a lot of trouble, almost undermined his second term. now you are looking at ...

The midterm elections. is the white house convinced that this is pennsylvania positive and workable and helpful message for the president. >> i think they're convinced it's a helpful message for the president. and i think they lock at the 2018 election as different when you look at the house and things of that nature versus what the president is trying to do to rile up his base. and i think that they look at in idea of immigration as something that they could get people to go and this is what people at the rallies and what his base wants to hear. they want to hear about immigration. they want ...

Becoming increasing worried about the potential of there being an economic downturn and what they are going to message for the president to run in 2020. he started looking at other promising going unfulfilled. one his chief promise from the 2016 campaign was nlding this wall on the southern border. they've been having the meetings here at the white house lately where the president is demanding to know updates what's going on. that's in those conversations where president made the offhanded remarks we're told about promising these pardons. but jim you have to look a lot of it has to do with whe...

Build the wall what is the response. >> they say the president is joking when he told aides he would pardon them if they had to break the law in order to get his wall built before the 2020 election. but of course we should note they did not deny that the president made the remarks. remarks he made before to the acting d.h.s. secretary about pardons. but of course our sources are telling us this comes as the president has been expressing in urgent need to get the wall finished by the next election. he has been telling aides essentially his re-election depends on it being built at least part of ...

Promising unkept. what is a bigger promise than donald trump and the wall? and he has come up with a zero in aid. there is no wall. he will be hammered by the democrats for lying to the american people because there couldn't be a wall due to environmental laws, eminent domain. it's trump trying to get ahead of the news cycle in 2020 by trying to put images of an artificial wall up because there isn't one built during his administration. >> isha, the white house says the president was joking about the pardons. we should note it's not the first time the white house claimed that. here is the resp...