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Was directed. it also stands to reason that the person who is doing the directing was the president. although, i don't know if that's true. we're just speculating. we have to be careful about that. it would be natural for the president, upon hearing roger stone has information, to say, find out what he has. i know what jeff is going to say. because i've heard him say it before, and he's absolutely right. what i said now maybe sounds very sensational. but it's not a crime. right? it's not a crime in the to be true at the moment for the president to say to someone, find out what roger stone know...

The president. i don't -- short answer, i don't know. there's a point that they made that is clear not to say it was a senior trump campaign official. >> it's intentional. it's not an accident they used that word. >> absolutely not. the use of the passive voice there is so relevant. i don't -- i don't know who else it could be. isn't that -- you have been around donald trump a lot. isn't that the kind of thing he would say? go ask roger what's going on. >> look, i have no knowledge of donald trump asking roger -- >> i understand that. >> i don't want to accuse the president. what i'm saying is...

>> right. that is an important point. even though it's -- it would be embarrassing, it would be i think inappropriate, but to say as someone might, go ask roger what the heck is going on with wikileaks, get that information. >> that's not illegal? >> that is not illegal. >> on its own. >> yeah. but it is part of -- why it sounds like it could be the president is this is the same person who was saying i love wikileaks. he never recognized that -- or never acknowledged that wikileaks was involved in a criminal enterprise. they were doing his business. >> thanks very much. with roger stone, it'...

To stone? >> i've read all these indictments. i have been through hours of voluntary and the grand jury. i started following this. mueller is very particular. it could be, for all we know, the president. i don't -- short answer, i don't know. there's a point that they made that is clear, not to say it was a senior trump campaign official. >> right. it's intentional. it's not an accident they used that word. >> absolutely not. the use of the passive voice there is so relevant. i don't -- i don't know who else it could be. isn't that -- you have been around donald trump a lot. isn't that the kin...