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Okay. he is not punching them. he is not resisting, physically resisting. he doesn't want to be handcuffed to start with. once the officer gets behind him, he acts like i'm giving up. you can arrest me. and when he is on the ground is when the chokehold -- >> look at the guy's hand. with all his weight, that oefrls puts his hand with the elbow engaged like that. a straight arm. all his weight on that guy's head on cement. that alone is frightening for a guy selling illegal cigarettes? >> it is frightening. to be in these situations, you were a uniform officer like i was as well. and i've been ...

To me, i mean, this just a shocking verdict. outside of that confusing jury instructions, it is difficult. we don't know all the evidence. without releasing that evidence, we're all guessing. >> here's the problem. let me to go eugene mcdonnell. the people have to go out and face them in society. who have all seen these pictures. it is not like michael brown. they have to see the actual killing. and then say i didn't do anything wrong. there must have been something told to that jury that convinced them they could face people and say he did go he should have done. >> this is sort of a predicta...

Still more questions than answers. so people around the country are left with that video and the images of eric garner taking his last breath. >> thank you very much. we're waiting for a statement right now from eric holder in washington. we'll bring that you when it hams. i'm joined by eugene, a former new york city police officer. jim cavanagh, retired special wagt the atf. and laush mcneil with the university of illinois. professor, what do you make of this thing just mentioned by trymaine? the d.a. said he isn't allowed to release any specific information. what could be exculpatory to use ...

We're waiting for a statement right now from eric holder in washington. we'll bring that you when it hams. i'm joined by eugene, a former new york city police officer. jim cavanagh, retired special wagt the atf. and laush mcneil with the university of illinois. professor, what do you make of this thing just mentioned by trymaine? the d.a. said he isn't allowed to release any specific information. what could be exculpatory to use a legal term, toward the police officer who was the subject of the grand jury hearing. >> most people know grand jury, timally the process is kept secret. he does have...

We're all guessing. >> here's the problem. let me to go eugene mcdonnell. the people have to go out and face them in society. who have all seen these pictures. it is not like michael brown. they have to see the actual killing. and then say i didn't do anything wrong. there must have been something told to that jury that convinced them they could face people and say he did go he should have done. >> this is sort of a predictable result. the officer went in and said i didn't mean to hurt anybody. it was a botched arrest. that's what i presume emthese outside the grand jury in his statement. this...