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There's no garn thee that any of the savings will be materialized. >> so we give the government the absolute upper hand. >> you ultimately allow local and state government to determine what the pension and health care benefits are in the future. they don't have that right now. i didn't have that when i was the county executive. time and time again i would come back to the unions and ask for simple changes in terms of pension or health care contribution. i asked for a 35-hour workweek. their response to me was we don't want it. you can go do something else. go lay off 400 or 500 employees. we d...

Doing, the only way i can assure that those cuts aren't going to be lead to massive layoffs, major cuts in core services is that those local governments have the authority to set their pension and benefit levels the way we're outlining in this bill. if you have collective bargaining ament grbargain ing agreements in place, there's no guarantee any of those statements would materialize. >> but you remove all future collective bargaining. you would have the upper hand. >> you allow the local and state governments to depend what the pension is in the future. i didn't have that when i was the coun...