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Justice system. then the second thing is i think in donald trump's mind he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. and so i think both of those point to him thinking that if he just sits down with bob mueller he can sort of go manno a manno like a new york real estate deal and come out the better half. i think donald trump has not figured out that going up against the full weight of the -- mortgage deal on a new york city office building. >> maybe he doesn't know what -- i don't know obstruction -- you think -- he doesn't understand michael what obstruction is and maybe if he is actually eve...

Associates are piling up here. why wouldn't he -- why wouldn't he sit down with robert mueller? >> well, i think he is going to. for two reasons. one, i think that he thinks he is smarter than robert mueller. i think he thinks against a weight of the evidence to the contrary that he can outmaneuver one of the most talented teams of prosecutors ever assemblinged in the course of the u.s. justice system. then the second thing is i think in donald trump's mind he doesn't think he has done anything wrong. and so i think both of those point to him thinking that if he just sits down with bob mueller...