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They're out of breath and we just hold out for a couple of years, what we need to do is build on the strength we have now. and try to put in place a final solution which can anchor afghanistan so that it's not the kind of threat that it's been in the last couple of decades. >> you argued memorably against the warrer in iraq. why is afghanistan in our strategic interest when some would say you're never going to be able to build enough of a stronghold there to persuade the taliban to negotiate to come up with an exit strategy? >> right. you know, in answer to that, i'd say we are where we are in...

Less spending? >> i don't think he will have changed his mind. what you will see is coming out of the meeting, you're right. the president did, going in, came in with a message more focused on deficit reduction than some of these other leaders but, each country is having their own problems and, i think everybody has been spooked by what we saw happening in greece and, so, come out of this, there is perhaps more of an emphasis on deficit reduction than we would like. but each country will have to calibrate it individually, for themselves, ask you know, we'll come to some kind of an agreement, g...