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Too. so i think it is a culture where you really do have to work at it and not do unconscious things that may sideline women. >> you think the golf thing is -- the golf game stuff. bill clinton played hearts with everybody. you know? you're laughing. anyway, he was not gender specific when it came to card games. but i agree. >> card games are good. >> i know golfing has a certain gender aspect to it. >> i once challenged condoleezza rice on her record of diversity at the state department. and basically asked if she had done enough. and she rather angrily replied don't judge me as i find this i...

Complaints that there's a lot of socializing and bonding that goes on in the basketball court and on the golf course. and that women went to valerie jarrett in the first term and said they felt a little bit left out and sidelined. you can't forget about that. he lost somebody at the caliber of a christina romer who was doing progressive things. his inability to hold on to certain women might be a problem too. so i think it is a culture where you really do have to work at it and not do unconscious things that may sideline women. >> you think the golf thing is -- the golf game stuff. bill clinto...

Terms. i think there have been other complaints that there's a lot of socializing and bonding that goes on in the basketball court and on the golf course. and that women went to valerie jarrett in the first term and said they felt a little bit left out and sidelined. you can't forget about that. he lost somebody at the caliber of a christina romer who was doing progressive things. his inability to hold on to certain women might be a problem too. so i think it is a culture where you really do have to work at it and not do unconscious things that may sideline women. >> you think the golf thing i...