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So many institutions. it was about people. what peter and i were struck by, without these advisers many of whom had alarming views of donald trump. he would have been another old dude shouting at the television between golf games. it really mattered. one of the paradoxes is often some of the worst enablers were often also the resisters at key moments, someone who served in trump's white house said there are no heroes in the trump white house. this is someone who actually served there, and i think that's the complicated story. figures like john kelly, like even bill barr, you know, they, again ...

Later when he was back on the trump train. and i think that is sort of a metaphor for the republican party as a whole. lindsey graham was very clear in 2016 on the nature of the threat. he himself said donald trump pose to the republican party in the country. you called him a kook, you called him dangerous, he said he was the least suited man to the presidency. but he seemed to be dazzled in away by donald trump that so many of these republican officials did. it's hard to delve into the psychology fully to understand. but i think the book and the story of the trump presidency, it's not just ab...

How dangerous he was, and said nothing. how do you explain this? >> yeah, i think that's one of the enduring mysteries of this trial, and i think it is a trial that the country has gone through with the trump presidency. you know, in many ways, donald trump was so close to damaging so many institutions and it really was about the people. what peter and i were struck by is, you know, without these advisers, many of whom, you know, had really alarming views of donald trump, he would have just been, you know, another old dude shouting at the television in between golf games, right, so it really m...

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