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[ female announcer ] watch live tv anywhere. the x1 entertainment operating system, only from xfinity. former cia deputy director michael morrell told congress this week he changed the talking points used by administration official after the benghazi terror attack. joining us now to discuss this and more, former director of the cia and nsa, general michael hayden. general, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thanks, chris. >> i want to talk first about the testimony from mike morrell, who you work with at the time to time up to 2009. he -- at the cia up to the time in 2009. he said in the ...

You can be said to be a crazy liberal. they have not pursued it. and now you have a situation where we have -- >> i want you to give liz time to answer that. >> i will. now you have a situation where there are insufficient -- there's insufficient oversight. we may be heading back to a time where you have something like senator church had in the '70s where you have to look at what cia is doing -- >> all right -- >> we have nsa, snowden -- >> i want to start by agreeing that we need more congressional oversight of benghazi, for example. but look, we have had -- in terms of oversight, this progra...

Suicide bombing in a russian train station. a female attacker blew herself up at a security gate. no one claimed responsibility. big victory for the n.s.a. friday. it comes after another federal judge called the program, quote, orwellian, and said it likely violates the constitution. a week ago a commercial -- congressional panel released finding. what will happen to the n.s.a., if anything? joining us now is general mike mukasey. we have diametrically opposed opinions from two judges. who is right? .in my view, the one in new york is right. i think the two opinions could not be more differe...

Both opinions spend a preliminary several pages on standing issues and other inside baseball issues. but when they get to the constitutional analysis, it's night and day. >> how is this going to affect the debate, do you think? >> i think ultimately this is going to work its way up to the supreme court. i believe that this is governed by exist supreme court precedent, a case called smith versus maryland. i don't think that is going to be changed. i think it is going to come out the n.s.a.'s way. on the way there is going to be a whole lot of debate and discussion about what the n.s.a. should a...

Position in the obama administration. >> i seriously doubt that. if he's angling for a higher position in the obama administration, i seriously doubt he's going to get it. that is, i think, really borderline absurd. >> one other aspect to this that i find interesting. while pauly claimed that the program was legal and valuable, he also said, quote, if left unchecked, it imperils the civil liberties of every citizen. do we just trust the government to know where the red lines are and to adhere to those red lines? >> it's not a question of trusting the government. this question is subject to ove...