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That is what the protesters think the scenario is. they expect after this there will be a more serious crackdown, martial law and even more use of the goon squads. >> how do protesters win against a strategy like that? >> i think they win by information. that is what they are trying to do. they have to tell people how it happened, how it really started. who is fighting. they have to remain non-violent, and they are not doing a very good job of that. it is very difficult to win when you are picked into a fight and drawn into a fight to try to maintain your air of being innocent and nonviolent. ...

Second wall, is there a food shortage? something that's going to stop the military from supporting mubarak? something where they actually can't survive as an urban society? are those walls coming up on this situation or not? >> reporter: you could have a large demonstration, and it could be very boisterous and lots of cheering. if it's peaceful and no one intervenes, not the police, not the army, not the goon squads, then perhaps if the government decides to take that approach, then we can wait it out. there are economic problems here. there's limits on money you can take out of the banks. mos...

In tunisia. >> where it will go, this image is 1 that is designed not just too frightened egyptians but to send a message across the region. if people rise up against their governments, it will descend into chaos. what is so troubling, this was clearly started or provoked today by an organized group that started a fight and came in charging on horses to start a fight. will that escalate and more deeply among 80 people? if you are going to call these people the goon squads, they have families and friends and neighbors. the people that got hurt today, 6, 700, some of the protest groups are sayin...

Initially. there is a degree of orchestration here. it may look chaotic, but there was a protest here this morning. after the protest, they were attacked by mobs of pro-government supporters. goon squads. the goon squads moved in and created a situation where there is now pandemonium. this is the kind of pandemonium that clarifies egyptians. president mubarak is looking for a reason to crack down, to bring calm to a terrified citizenry. >> richard, explain where these goon squads are coming from. are they paid hitmen? are they paid to protect mubarak? describe what their origin is. >> reporter...

The law and order. that is what the protesters think the scenario is. they expect after this there will be a more serious crackdown, martial law and even more use of the goon squads. >> how do protesters win against a strategy like that? >> i think they win by information. that is what they are trying to do. they have to tell people how it happened, how it really started. who is fighting. they have to remain non-violent, and they are not doing a very good job of that. it is very difficult to win when you are picked into a fight and drawn into a fight to try to maintain your air of being innoce...