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Back and forth on who is out of touch. do you think it hurts or helps either side? >> i think a candidate for president personal attribute are important. if you vote for commander-in-chief, it's different. it's not bipartisan, it's not just you vote for your party. there is much worse than obama and his personal favorability ratings are solid. you want it over 50% if you are an incumbent that feels comfortable about the re-election. romney has work to do there. true that obama has aloof aspect. but it comes to people like you and some place you want to have a beer with, romney struggled. now t...

Gor romney, business practices and his policies clearly benefited the wealthy and most powerful among us, often at the expense of working and middle class families. they believe it's the best way. i'm not doubting their belief. but it just doesn't work that way. >> i don't think what you see is america's destiny. it's more of a detour. i will work hard to make america the best place for entrepreneurs and know vators and small businesses -- innovators and small bidss. >> shannon: time to talk 2012. back with the panel, fred, mara and charles. they decided romney is the nominee, it sounds like, ...

Specifically. more tax cut goes to companies that create jobs over here. the romney tax cut goes to companies that create jobs overseas. >> focused on romney's tenure at bain capital, reviving a line of attack used for a time by romney's g.o.p. rivals an the vice president also made use of mockery. >> governor romney's called the president of the united states out of touch, out of touch. romney? i mean -- [ applause ] the romney campaign shot back with a statement arguing under mr. biden's law, 800,000 fewer americans have jobs. earlier romney courted wisconsin voters by phone with pledges to ...

Hurting and 3 percent say this is no effect, so i would rather keep the two thirds of people who say it is hurting or not doing anything and saying the president's policies are a failure they are not helping our economy grow the way it ought to grow and keep together the two-thirds who agree with that rather than focusing on the 30 percent who say it is hurt. and hurt only. >>neil: and the argument that others have raised especially the c.e.o.'s who are no big fans of the president or romney and candidate whose fail to address better economic number dozen not mean good economic numbers. we are...

>> one of the more shocking things in our last nbc/"wall street journal" poll and i talked to republicans concerneded about this is mitt romney's personal rating upside down in poll speak. negative rating higher than his positive rating. the last time we saw that with any nominee at this point in time was john kerry. he had a short primary season and had the spring to basically fix his problems with the middle of the electorate. are you concerned mitt romney is not going to have the same amount of time that a john kerry had to make himself competitive with the incumbent? >> i don't think there...