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Government reform. we're supposed to go out there and find the facts with regard to problems that might be happening in government and then try to address them. but it seems to be this is all about a witch-hunt. that's one of the reasons why the 17 democrats on the oversight committee sent darrell issa a letter with regard to benghazi telling him after a year and a half they still seem to be pounding on benghazi but they're not addressing the issues that came out of all of the research that was done with regard to what happened in benghazi. there were 23 recommendations, ed, and we rarely talk...

He says that the best tool they have sometimes is to shame the administration. >> well, clearly his position has been to go out there and try to connect the white house to some kind of scandal. he's done it over and over again, with irs, tried to do it with benghazi, fast and furious, on and on and on. and he makes these accusations and in most instances with no accuracy. and no facts to back him up. then he moves on to the next untruth that he wants to tell. we see it over and over again. that's why we've got the 12 pinocchios. that's probably a record number. >> yeah. you know, he says the p...

Everything we need to know and everything that there is to know about benghazi? >> i tell you, we have done numerous interviews, talked to admiral mullen and ambassador pickeri pickering, two wonderful gentlemen who researched this with the board, they looked into it. i think they've put all the information out there. and by the way, the armed services committee, the republican-led armed services committee came out and said that a lot -- some of these allegations that chairman issa has been making saying that hillary clinton told secretary panetta to stand down instead of sending troops to hel...

Obtained, actually no, e-mails shown to republican congressional staffers who have an ax to grind who they be paraphrased them. >> who then passed on to the press, passed on to jonathan carl of abc news and passed on inaccurate summaries that the white house was playing politics. >> paraphrases that appeared in quotes. >> this signals that the white house itself thinks there's nothing there, but they poured fuel on the fire. they looked at a news cycle in which they've got the irs, they've got the doj, ap an they've got benghazi. yesterday they said here's 100 e-mails. >> i think that's called...

>> yes, thank you. on friday when there was e-mails obtained, actually no, e-mails shown to republican congressional staffers who have an ax to grind who they be paraphrased them. >> who then passed on to the press, passed on to jonathan carl of abc news and passed on inaccurate summaries that the white house was playing politics. >> paraphrases that appeared in quotes. >> this signals that the white house itself thinks there's nothing there, but they poured fuel on the fire. they looked at a news cycle in which they've got the irs, they've got the doj, ap an they've got benghazi. yesterday th...