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So in that respect, when it comes to debt, there really isn't a dime's worth of difference. >> and the problem is, there's not a viable candidate in the field who meets your criteria. >> or i would say a lot of americans criteria. democrats are concerned about the national debt. independents are concerned about the national debt. i'm telling you, in barack ob a obama -- if barack obama in his state of the union address had said, i'm going to tell you, republicans, i'm going to call your bluff. i've got bowles/simpson here. i'm going to ask harry reid to vote on it in the senate and john boehne...