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Publisher of "the nation" magazine. good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. how is in your opinion the president and his advisers and the state department handling all of this now that we go to day number 18 and mixed signals from the president and really demeaning talk coming from the vice president telling these protesters to go home but oh, by the way don't watch television. what do you make of all of this? >> i think we all need to step back a little and speak with some humility. egyptians are putting their lives on the line. hundreds of thousands came out yesterday as you reported...

The state department handling all of this now that we go to day number 18 and mixed signals from the president and really demeaning talk coming from the vice president telling these protesters to go home but oh, by the way don't watch television. what do you make of all of this? >> i think we all need to step back a little and speak with some humility. egyptians are putting their lives on the line. hundreds of thousands came out yesterday as you reported, ed, across the country -- labor, doctors, lawyers, across class, gender, religious lines. i think it is the egyptians' to sort out. and they...

Flubbing up the national anthem. i mean is the focus going to be just getting as many page views and clicks or is it going to be really a force for what's good and what's right for america? >> ed, i got to say this. i reject that kind of, it's either this or that. i mean, i consider myself and the friends that i have really passionate people who care about the world, care about making a difference. but we still like to talk about funny things. we still like to talk about who is going to win the oscars and who won the ball game. i think you can do both. if we're just this one narrow thing all i...

Stories on huffington post was of course christina aguilera flubbing up the national anthem. i mean is the focus going to be just getting as many page views and clicks or is it going to be really a force for what's good and what's right for america? >> ed, i got to say this. i reject that kind of, it's either this or that. i mean, i consider myself and the friends that i have really passionate people who care about the world, care about making a difference. but we still like to talk about funny things. we still like to talk about who is going to win the oscars and who won the ball game. i thin...

To $40 billion a year under proposed climate change legislation. so they bought their way right into the congress. "the l.a. times" reported koch industries contributed nearly $300,000 to 22 republicans on the house energy and commerce committee. nine new republicans on the committee signed koch sponsored pledge to oppose the regulation of greenhouse gases. now you get the picture. and next on the committee's agenda replacing restrictions on the environmental protection agency which we don't need. joining me now tonight is the host of the nationally syndicated radio show "ring of fire." good e...