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Kitchen of an old house. you flip on the light and all kinds of creepy critters come rolling out because they don't like the light. that's the same thing here with the koch brothers. >> have they influenced the chairman, fred upton? this guy used to be a moderate on the environment and now of course he's doing pretty much the bidding for the koch brothers. >> ed, here's what they do. they take a guy like this and they say the cato institute says this. or the heritage foundation says this. or the americans for prosperity say this. but what they don't say is we, the koch brothers, are behind all...

Recognition about what they were doing in palm springs a couple weeks ago and all of a sudden they understood the american public that you and other people in the media understood what kind of adverse effect they're having on democracy in this country, they started backing off. that's the only thing we can do here. you have to shine a light on it. it's like walking into the kitchen of an old house. you flip on the light and all kinds of creepy critters come rolling out because they don't like the light. that's the same thing here with the koch brothers. >> have they influenced the chairman, fr...

>> editorial content. will it be more aggressive? will it be more liberal? what about it? >> ed, i think, and you know this. we've talked about this before. i think when you try to label things too much it can delegitimize. it is too easy to dismiss it. ed is on this side the spectrum so i don't have to listen but in fact we're talking about issues and you do, ed, all the time, central to our democracy. i don't think they fall into this easy left/right dichotomy. afghanistan for instance getting out of afghanistan. they want to say that means you're a lefty. really? joe scar grow, grover norqu...

Just be supercharged by aol's scale and resources and global reach but the huffington post brand as you say will live on and in fact will now be overseeing all of the aol content. >> editorial content. will it be more aggressive? will it be more liberal? what about it? >> ed, i think, and you know this. we've talked about this before. i think when you try to label things too much it can delegitimize. it is too easy to dismiss it. ed is on this side the spectrum so i don't have to listen but in fact we're talking about issues and you do, ed, all the time, central to our democracy. i don't think...

1 plus 1 will equal 11. but to many, huffington post is more than just a website. it's a progressive force. this morning huffington post bloggers got a memo from arianna huffington and our next guest assuring them that the team will continue to operate as it always has. joining me now as promised is the founding editor of the huffington post. roy, good to have you with us tonight. have you talked to joe biden about this? is this a big f'ing deal? >> you nailed it. it is, ed. >> you know what? you've done a fabulous job over the years at huffington post and it's just risen in power so fast as t...