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Matter if your raise the age 18 to 21 to 30. somebody who has that determination to carry out a threat like this, they are going to find a way whether they have to do a criminal action and steal somebody's gun or go to a store and purchase one, so i think the knee-jerk reaction and that's one of the many things here, the political posturing and pointing that this is has become a gun debate and it's not about a gun debate down here, it's about the individual behind the gun that we have to address and the programs that we've enacted down in broward county, the promise program where we allow kids...

County but previous. we have land that we can do that with but they don't want to turn it over to us. neil: arming teachers, the president thinks it's a good idea, what do you think? >> with the proper amount of training and identifying specifics, teachers that are responsible enough and willing to take on that cause, i fully support him on that but there has to be an informed debate about this to come up with best plan, we need can a knee-jerk reaction and put the guns in school next week. we have to think of all possibilities, in urban school setting where we have kids breaking into school a...

Or, you know, 35, you know, like responsibility is the main thing. we really need to get back to teaching individual's gun ownership and taking responsibility for own actions. neil: and that in your mind has nothing to do with your stage in. >> not at all. neil: nicholas cruz that got gun, what do you think of that? >> what do i think of purchasing at 19? neil niel he got a number of guns and a lot of the guns -- he got multiple guns and mental health issues didn't come to light until after the fact, what do you think of that? >> yeah, i think the real issue here is that we need to get back to...

2012, more than 87,000 americans have been killed by guns. you know how americans are going to respond. a good number will say, we need more gun control laws and others will say, we just need more guns. i don't want to really have a debate this morning. i actually want to have a conversation. so, i've invited john lott, the author of "more guns, less crime." welcome and thanks for being here this morning, john. >> thank you. >> the sheriff in oregon says, it's not the time to talk about gun laws, but others, like andy parker, whose daughter was killed on television, told me this is exactly the...

>> it was justice a matter of time? >> yeah, gabriel's time was coming. >> he was too active. he was too well known. he played too hard. trying be too too tough in his gang and it caught up to him. >> ayala had a lengthy criminal record and everyone in hollenbeck seemed to know his name. >> what kind of reputation did gabriel ayala have. >> he's a gaeng member. everyone who works in had division knew the ayala family really well. >> well known to you. >> well known to us. if i did several search warrants at that location, got gun, dope, ammunition, bulletproof vests. >> detective fields believ...