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Ali. >> let's start with this donald j. trump meeting, the fact that we're up to five or six trump associates who have now been dishonest about the fact that there were contacts between trump associates and the russians. what's your first take on this? >> this culture of corruption is everywhere. you've got flynn, you've got manafort, you've got donald trump jr., you've got kushner. that's why we needed a special counsel. what we need to have happen in congress, ali, number one, the sanctions bill needs to be passed by the house. because that is very important to hold putin accountable. number...

And be more presidential. >> jonathan, the trump administration's line about "the washington post" report is that back channel communications generally speaking as we saw on "meet the press" would be a good thing, however, if this is true, this isn't back-channel. this is covert, to avoid detection of american intel during a transition period which basically undermines the current sitting administration. so if true, how serious is it? >> i think it's very serious. there are a couple of distinct issues that are brought up here, number one, you've got a private citizen of the trump administratio...

>> we've been hearing about a possible shake up since the oath was taken and president trump took office. factions and shake ups and infighting are really common in presidential administrations. we can talk about any president going back decades. there is always infighting. look atment lincoln with his team of rivals, everybody at each other's throats. i think in this instance, you see a dividing line in the white house between kushner and ivanka trump on one side, and bannon on the other trying to push the trump populist agenda that got him elected. but you've got kushner on the other side tr...

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Eventually democrats may get back in the house and everything changes. this is the people who are connected, just that we know of to sergey kislyak. this is the "washington post" sort of little things. all the additional people we may find out t. you've got kushner, carter page, you've got paul manafort, donald trump and all these ties. and now you have this new information that michael flynn is in need of money, that michael flynn has started yet another consulting firm. he doesn't have the money to sort of pay for his legal defense. he's still out there. and we don't talk about him much any ...